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Quote whalley Replybullet Posted: 18 November 2009 at 1:19pm
Tried to sign the petition about NDM and Cyprus medals but dont get the billydo from No 10 so my vote doesn't count, any one else had this problem?
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Quote Fuggster Replybullet Posted: 18 November 2009 at 6:34pm
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I just see no logical reason for awarding a medal to those who were lucky enough to be spared the horrors of active service, certainly not in this financial climate.
 
TX, I take your point however there are a couple of issues (by the way I have seen active service though in all honesty not the horrors some have.)
 
Not all active service is recognised, actually there are so many who have missed out for one reason or another it is quite incredible.  If the medal system was better in other ways then perhaps there would be no need for an NDM. But it is woeful.
 
As you are aware there is so much wasted tax that even to the uneducated it is obvious where massive savings could be made.  Only a fraction of these savings would be required to fund such a medal, and of course economies of scale would drive cost down even further.
 
It has also been suggested in one of the threads that any retrospective application could give an opportunity for a charitable donation, such as H4H or BLESMA.  I belive if handled sensitively it could potentially raise more than it costs.
 
The Queen of course has already given such an award her blessing to our commonwealth cousins.  It was interesting seeing the Aussie VC winner wearing his ADM at this years remembrance parade (I don't think anybody poked fun at him).
 
If veterans felt it really was a waste quite simply they need not apply for it, at least it would then distinguih between the 'wants' and 'don't wants'.  Having read the report I'm inclined to support it.  If it helps brings exservicmen who feel excluded back into the active veterans community with all it has to offer then that can only be a good thing.
 
Final point a solitary medal for service does not make somebody a 'Walt'. 
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Quote ranroz Replybullet Posted: 09 December 2009 at 9:40pm
 
Deadline to sign up by: 23 March 2010 – Signatures:  2,465
 
 
 
We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to publicly express admiration, respect and honour all HM Armed Forces wherever they may. They work day and night, year round under immense pressures to ensure our Nations Defence, this covers all operational and support roles from Afghanistan to the Falkland Islands. Thank You

Our Forces are deployed all over the world with a primary aim of ensuring our national security, be it Afghanistan, Iraq, N Ireland, Falklands, Cyprus, Belize, Balkans, Germany, Patrolling Hostile seas or Flying sorties, this is by no means an exhaustive list. All Forces undergo arduous training, they accept any risks and rigours presented in whatever circumstances. Parted from family for months but get on with it. The ranks reflect us, Sons, Daughters, Mums, Dads and we CARE. Politicians remember this during every decision you make; equipment procurement, families, healthcare, veterans issues etc. The cruel deaths of the Sappers, butchered in a place supposedly at peace, highlights the dangers inherent in any form of military service from training to the frontline. It is not the Senior Bankers, Chief Civil Bureaucrats, Dubious third world dictators, Political donors that should be showered with imperial honours, medal s and awards, it is every single one of our HM Forces that deserve the plaudits and the official honours in Recognition for their service and sacrifice for OUR National Security, as a thank you – NDM

Don't for get to click on the link that you receive from NMR 10 failer to do So your signature will not register
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Quote whalley Replybullet Posted: 14 December 2009 at 2:10pm
hoorah after several attempts managed to get the billy doo from nuber 10 and have now signed
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Quote ranroz Replybullet Posted: 14 December 2009 at 4:38pm
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hoorah after several attempts managed to get the billy doo from nuber 10 and have now signed
 
Great stuff Whally
Lets hoop its worth it.
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Quote Fuggster Replybullet Posted: 31 January 2010 at 8:20pm
There is an Early Day Motion running at the moment about the NDM, with some interesting stats (if you like that sort of thing).
 
Out of 900 motions The NDM is amongst the most popular.
It is there in the top 1.5%.
 
What this suggests is there is more political support than had previously been thought.
 
Regardless of the views on this forum or others there is clear evidence that the UK system is out of step with the rest of the world. When just about all operations are multinational it seems rather mean to deprive British Forces when those who have served alongside them have received some recogition (there are many examples of this for the Canadians, Aussies, Kiwis and US)
 
I personally think the NDM offers a get out to the MoD, to draw a line under all previous claims.  Or they can review the dozens of individual grievances and retrospectively put them all right. Either way they should do something.
 
Soon the QDJM will be handed out (with a similar criteria to the NDM), where is all the dissent?  will those opponents of an NDM accept and wear it?  of course they will, and why on earth shouldn't they.  Yet many of those recipients will still sneer at the NDM.  Sneer at something our Queen has already approved for others.
 
Equity for the UK?  well maybe not in my lifetime.


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Quote ranroz Replybullet Posted: 14 February 2010 at 4:47pm
I will be pushing this Petition on the Police Oracle site as soon as I can and if they give a reaction on my post over it.
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Quote ranroz Replybullet Posted: 26 February 2010 at 11:26pm
Rite people less than 1 Month to go. I hoop you have signed and if not, Do So.
Its for the benefit of  every Tom, Dick and Harry that has given the best years of Our lives for this Country and may not have served in a area that a medal was given. Or you did serve and you did not qualifi in days, and all that you have to show for it is a Veterens Badge.
 
Deadline to sign up by: 23 March 2010 – Signatures: 2,774
 


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Quote LowLander Replybullet Posted: 11 March 2010 at 3:01pm
The Aussie,s were awarded this same medal, only under a different wording, it is the same as NDM 
Her Majesty the Queen approved the Regulations and Letters Patent for the medal on 20 March 2006.


http://www.defence.gov.au/medals/Conten ... 070%20ADM/
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Quote ranroz Replybullet Posted: 17 March 2010 at 10:59am
Deadline to sign up by: 23 March 2010 – Signatures: 2,890
 
 
 
 

 


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Quote Tab. Replybullet Posted: 13 April 2010 at 6:50pm
Now if a politician was offered a medal for any thing do you think that they woulod turn it down. Also a NDM medal might just stop a lot of the Bling being worn on Parades. The RBL sponsors a large number of medals for sale in their booklets because they get a cut off the sales, but do you ever see them say that these medals should not be worm on parade. I personally don't think you will ever see a NDM issued as there are still millions of ex National Servicemen around and it would cost to much to supply every one with this medal. May be in another 30/40 years when there are hardly any troops to claim it, then it might happen. 
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Quote Fuggster Replybullet Posted: 30 April 2010 at 9:36am
News from UKIP on the NDM and Cold War:
 
IN THE NATIONAL INTEREST: TIME TO RESCUE OUR ARMED FORCES

11. Our Duty to Those who Serve

11.14 To ensure proper recognition of their courage and sacrifice, UKIP shall also introduce a new National Defence Medal that will be awarded to every member of the British armed forces for their service to their Queen and country. This medal will recognise many „Forgotten Heroes‟ who served our country in places such as Korea (post armistice), the Berlin Airlift, the Cold War (which cost hundreds of lives), and during IRA attacks in England and Germany. It will also give due recognition at last to our National Service veterans for their superb contribution.

http://www.ukip.org/media/policies/UKIPdefencepolicy.pdf

http://www.general-election-2010.co.uk/uk-party-political-news/party-would-honour-every-british-soldier

 
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Quote Fuggster Replybullet Posted: 12 May 2010 at 11:41am

Top secret submariners to be recognised

Former submariners will be recognised by the government and provided with extra health benefits.
 
Through the later years of the Cold War, Australian Oberon class submarines conducted top secret missions, lurking off Russian ports such as Vladivostok and observing shipping movements.¶

Few details of these operations have ever been revealed.¶

But now the government is recognising the contribution of some 890 former submariners in these missions and treating it as qualifying service - essentially service in a theatre of war - making them eligible for significant benefits such as the veterans gold health care card.¶

Veterans Affairs Minister Alan Griffin said this would cost $11.1 million over four years and went beyond the Clarke review of veteran entitlements, which recommended that their service be treated as non-warlike hazardous.

The government has also moved to treat service of RAAF personnel at Ubon, Thailand in June and July 1962 as qualifying service, extending their eligibility for veteran benefits.¶

While the government is expanding veteran categories, overall veteran numbers are dwindling with the passing of the World War Two generation.¶

"Sadly over the last year Department of Veterans Affairs client numbers have fallen from 415,000 to approximately 380,000, Mr Griffin said.



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Quote ranroz Replybullet Posted: 12 May 2010 at 11:19pm
I just recievd this in a email from EXBRAT.
 
Here is a smidgen of news from Oz, re the Cold War, once again Oz shows the way with regard to medals.
 
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=1051142
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